Behind the Veil | The Deep End | Episode 7

Sep 29, 2026  •  Justin Cheely, Ron Everingham, Megan Allen

What do naked baby angels, The Matrix, the Witch of Endor, the gods of Egypt, a heavenly courtroom, and your grandma getting her wings have in common?

Apparently, they’re all part of trying to understand the spiritual realm.

In this episode of The Deep End, we ask what sounds like a pretty simple question:

What does the Bible actually say is out there?

And then things get weird.

Because the biblical picture of the unseen world is a lot bigger than God upstairs, humans downstairs, and a few angels and demons floating around in between.

Why does the Bible talk about Elohim—sometimes translated “gods”? What are cherubim and seraphim? Does God have a heavenly council? What exactly is happening when Daniel describes spiritual rulers connected to Persia and Greece? What in the world are we supposed to do with Samuel and the Witch of Endor? And are angels even a type of being—or is “angel” actually more like a job description?

At some point, we realize someone listening while driving may have just gone off the road.

Please focus on the road.

But this isn't just an episode about collecting strange Bible passages.

Because if the Bible really describes an unseen conflict involving rulers, authorities, powers, and spiritual forces, then suddenly what Jesus accomplished through His life, death, and resurrection gets a whole lot bigger.

Maybe Jesus didn't come merely to forgive sinners.

Maybe He came to defeat something.

So buckle up. Keep an open Bible nearby. And prepare to reconsider a few greeting cards.

The spiritual world may be much bigger—and much stranger—than you've imagined.

Welcome to The Deep End.

Real Questions. Deeper Answers.